NotACat - Rude Behavior

NotACat - rude behavior

This behavior will not be toler

= For game bans =

Ban reason: “needlessly attacking another user over antag actions in ooc that were entirely fair within the rules. Past history of this before. This behavior will not be tolerated”
Length of ban: 4320 minutes
Events leading to the ban: [I was playing in MRP when someone with an antage role killed the entire server save one person. There were six total people playing at the time. I got heated and after the match made a few comments about how I thought they were behaving terribly. I told them repeatedly that I was not at all upset over the fact that they were doing their antag assigned roles. Only that the game is a group game and that sometimes winning isn’t everything. I never told them they weren’t within the rules except when you consider that it’s literally in the rules that winning isn’t everything. Since I don’t have logs, I can’t tell you what was said, I’m sure I wasn’t being super nice. But also, \*I\* excused myself from the conversation way before the other player in question did. I told them to own and hold their win and that I hoped they felt good about it. I did NOT talk in ooc until the round was over and once the next round started, I went about my business as usual.]
Reason the ban should be removed: [Reason 1: “Past History” Admins only see me at my worst. You guys don’t see my at my best. I have played A LOT of hours. I have contributed to beautiful stories written and crafted with my fellow players so many times I can’t even count. You guys only see me when I’m upset. I voiced my anger and then, at the conclusion of the round, went about as if nothing happened, commenting later only after the person in question continued to prod about it. Reason 2: “Nepotism” The person in question has bragged multiple times about being good friends with the admin team or maybe just a member. I feel like perhaps there is a bit of nepotism to take the side of the person you seem to know better. It’s hard to avoid and I can’t hold it against you guys. But all you see are notes about me at my worst behavoir. The person in question was NOT innocent on grounds of morality and playing well with others and I called them out. Reason 3: “Justified, albeit overboard” It’s not in me to let people think those things are okay. Chats with other people in dead chat while we were watching it unfold prove to me that I wasn’t alone in thinking they were not in any way attempting to create a fun or challenging environment in which to play with others, they were, as I said, simply in it to win, which I find annoying and disruptive to the community and have a hard time keeping that to myself. Can I be nicer about it? Sure. I agree, and if you could see me at my good moments, you’d know I’ve grown a lot and taken critique from admins in the past very seriously. This moment got out away from me because I knew I wasn’t alone in feeling the way I did. I tend to “momma” bear. If something bothers me, I am much better at letting it go than when it bothers someone else.  I feel like a three day ban, or any ban at all that doesn’t involve talking to me about the incident at hand, is unjustified and needs reviewed.]

Did you try to evade your ban about an hour after making this appeal?

I did not? I was actually asleep when this ban happened. I woke up the next morning to get on and saw I was banned.

 

Oh, after the appeal? Nah, I played a little on Delta and frontier.

21 minutes ago, Chief_Engineer said:

Did you try to evade your ban about an hour after making this appeal?

I’ll be honest. Did I think about it? Yes. Did I attempt it? No. Did I do it? No. I just wanna play a game man.

Can you think of any reason why, if you didn’t attempt to evade your ban, our connection logs would indicate that you did so using the account NermalThermal about an hour after making this appeal?

Umm, off the top of my head no. Let me call my husband.

He’s not answering, he’s working. But that is a name he’s used before. It’s not unlike him to try and find a solution when I’m upset. I’ll get back to you when I can get ahold of him.

I’m not sure if you’re going to believe me. I haven’t lied to you before. But my husband said he tried to connect through a vpn while I was out walking the dogs. Said it didn’t work so he didn’t say anything to me. I could send you screen shots of our conversation? I don’t know man. Like I said. I just wanna play spess game and this is a lot of stress.

Would it help if I said please?

Soon after you posted your appeal and without your knowledge, your husband used your computer to create an account and tried to connect to the servers with that account using a VPN?

That is the truth.

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I woke up, saw the ban, was pretty upset… He’s my husband and I definitely told him what went down. So I went on a long walk with the dogs to cool off.

While we can’t prove that things didn’t happen exactly as you describe them, we also can’t prove that a similar situation didn’t occur for any other case of ban evasion. From a technical perspective, this situation is fully indistinguishable from you attempting to evade your ban. Treating this as anything other than ban evasion would essentially allow us to place no evasion bans as anyone could claim a similar scenario happened. Unfortunately that means the standard voucher ban needs to be applied. As you’ve said in your appeal, you do have a lot of hours, and you appear to have relatively few issues when those hours are taken into account. Assuming there aren’t further evasion attempts, I suspect that you’d have no issue gaining a voucher from another server or getting an appeal accepted with that voucher.

Regarding the section of your appeal about nepotism, if you have any evidence of this, please send it in a thread in the staff complaint section of the forums. It will not impact your voucher ban’s requirements, but I will do my best to look into any claims that you support. While there would need to be more evidence than the player just saying that they are friends with admins, and while you’d ideally be able to point to other actions unrelated to this ban performed by any admin that suggest bias, I’m willing to investigate pretty much anything more than them saying that they’re friends with some admins. If you can point to other situations related to them where you feel there may have been bias, to them claiming or suggesting an admin had taken some unfair action because of their friendship, or to any admin claiming or suggesting the same, I’ll look into it. I’m not sure if you’re already aware, but there is an OOC relay on discord for each server that has most OOC messages that were sent on the server. You can use these relays to help you find any evidence that was sent in OOC, which you can then cite in the staff complaint. The relay for Salamander is at https://discord.com/channels/310555209753690112/1017887598401814629.

Due to your attempt to evade your ban, you are banned indefinitely. You may appeal your ban, but only at least 6 months after your last ban evasion attempt, and only with a voucher of good behavior from another SS13/SS14 server.

A voucher of good behavior should be obtained from a well-known or decently active SS13/SS14 server. If it is a mainstream server, we recommend using that server’s admin-help to ask for a voucher from one of the administrators explaining that you are trying to appeal a ban on SS14’s Wizard’s Den and want to show you have been a problem-free player during your playtime on the server. A voucher should be indicative of at least a few months of play. If the voucher is not from a mainstream server, let us know and we will figure out a way to verify it.

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