I do not remember who Peptide is specifically
Peptide is the host/owner of the Singularity Network servers; three servers with one being a normal fork, one being a fallout conversion and one being a SCP conversion. He’s in two screenshots of the dehub post both presumably in the council discord, and in both he’s just commenting on how what the other guys are doing is going to result in them all getting dehubbed. At no point have I seen a shred of evidence that he was involved in any of the rulebreaking at all. He’s one of the few guys I’ve worked alongside in SS1X development who didn’t seem to have a hostile bone in his body, he’s a passionate developer who spent years making his servers.
The main issue in this discussion is that you do not agree that being in the circle but not contributing directly is an excuse.
The guilt by association treatment of Peptide is something I am strongly against, but it isn’t the main issue - the primary point I’m trying to make is that we need to be laying out and enforcing these rules clearly, sensibly, consistently and transparently. I believe that this situation is a result of poor hub management, but it’s a symptom rather than the disease.
As was said, associating yourself with bad people enables them, it makes you part of the problem, and wizden is simply not willing to ignore that.
Then this should be in the hub rules. Further to the point; going out of your way to futher alienate communities is going to make the problem much worse in the long term.
I am not going to say “you are wrong”. But your point of view simply differs from the staff, and the idea that sticking to “associating must be tolerated” is simply an opinion just like the staff’s here, both with merits.
I don’t think it must be, but I do think whether it is, or isn’t, the extent to which culpability is shared, and the actions taken in response to it, should be discussed with as round a table as possible, with the aim of bettering the community.
PJB did not even have to reach out.
Nobody needs to do anything. Any given maintainer could, if they so chose, ban every player account beginning with the letter J. This isn’t a question of what staff are obliged to do, it’s a question of what would create the best outcomes and lead to a better commnunity.
This isn’t a corporation where you can just have a bot send a neutral “You will face consequences in 3 business days if you do not comply.” to any kind of threat and harrassment. These are volunteers.
Why not? Wouldn’t this be better than ‘You have 5 minutes to disavow the people in this server or you’re getting dehubbed.’? I’ll take things feeling boring, or awkward, or hamfisted over things being precarious and driven by snap emotional decisionmaking. Better still, why not have a member of staff, maybe someone who already knows them, send a DM and ask what’s going on? Ask why they feel this way, maybe figure out the root cause or, at least, try to convey the situation from Wizden’s perspective and give them a heads up that action might be coming. Some of these people are probably glass eyed sociopaths who’d enjoy the chance to make the other guy dance, but to blanket assume that’s everyone and as a result only interact on hostile terms is not good for the community long-term, it’s cop city shit - I’m suggesting community policing.
At the end of the day I’m asking that we set and follow rules, that we be transparent where we’re able, that we have oversight, and that we try to de-escalate before attacking - I really don’t think I’m advocating for anything extreme.