Request for Feedback: Follow up on Changes of MRP Rules

as a follow up Id also say that folks that like that kinda game play have 3 LRP servers on Wizden to choose from where its not enforced.

much like the blog they posted said. the group you play with makes a big impact on things, some TRPG tables are all about Strat and making yourself as optiminal as possible to counter the DM’s big bag monsters. Other tables are way more chilled and laid back and dont care about optiminalization or doing things that are the best strats and SS14 is much the same and MRP is the Wizdens more RP focused group.

Sure everyone will have there own black and white Power gaming examples and it will be upto Ahelp to sort Power gaming from RP from just normal play and each Moderator will have slightly different views on it, but I trust Ahelp to work it out and from every ban ive seen on ban appeals every appeal in the last 2 months has had Ahelp talk to them before any action was taken and like with Bans I expect DW can be appealed and then a second moderator will review it.

I definitely like this clarification and it shows that you recognize the difference between the people who interpret statements outrageously literal to invoke a reaction vs those who interpret statements outrageously literal to bring to light perspectives that may arise among seemingly little vague situations that are missed in its documentation since some may lack the complete context of relevant use of the rule.

Here’s an example I have become worried about roleplaying due to this rule not because I don’t understand how it should most likely be implemented per intensions of its writer but because of the possibility for misinterpretation of its contents by its judgement bearer….

As an engi, power has just been set up completely due to diligent efforts by staff to speed up the process in hopes of creating more time for a roleplay bit.

One engi, atoms, and the CE have been asked to assist with the construction of a basketball court.

The CE volunteers to take primary responsibility to caretaker duties and passes out radios so they don’t miss urgent requests for their roles getting overwhelming for the volunteering CE.

As they are working on the court, a scientist overheard they ran out of welding fuel and looked everywhere for more to no avail but this science remembers seeing one next to an old anom.

Unfortunately, they don’t know how to describe where it is but can walk there using the things they remember being present around the area.

If this scientist is caught taking the 5-10 minute walk to rediscover the welding fuel for engi, did they abandon their role?
If so, what is the just punishment.
If not, how similar of a situation be to this that just barely qualifies as abandonment of their role.

I believe that, sometimes, having a member in a role doesn’t give other members in other roles who could potentially depend upon that person any right to receive a measurable level of product, from zero to maximum.

I advocate for the scientist who does the “not programmed utility designed” route of scientific research. A scientist who asks for volunteers to preform surgery on crewmembers to learn how many organs and their properties so they can share this knowledge with medical.

I advocate for the engi who of course could be helping the other 3 rebuild science after a bomb but instead helps a passenger build a bootleg shop in one of the ships space cavities.

I advocate for the entire station to agree to go on the big space asteroid that has an underground dungeon literally abandoning the ship for large periods of time to do an exploration mission.

All of this to say, i think including in some way that abandoning your role is against the rules if it can be linked to the fall or destruction of other non-antag roles and the station’s ability to function properly should it be clear that it would have definitively functioned properly had that players actions not been performed.

Or not, who’s to say what other developments could benefit the community from specificity.
Maybe too much specificity could lead to the disadvantage of the community.

My opinion is that this rule uses general language to accommodate far to many specific circumstances.

Either way, i feel we are greatly under-appreciating the fact that everyone involved with this rule change cares enough to consider its affect short term, long term, and everything in between. Thank you Reisama and everyone for the incredible work :grin:

(Change note) added the word “possibility” in the section “Here’s an example I have become worried about roleplaying due to this rule not because I don’t understand how it should most likely be implemented per intensions of its writer but because of the ********* for misinterpretation of its contents by its judgement bearer….” Placement marked with”*”

Sandbox Vs. Railroad Argument as presented by Dimension 20, YouTube.

In time I hope to understand the Space Station 14 community enough that I no longer see see certain restriction rooted solutions to balancing as arguments similar to those made in favor of the railroad argument while certain dynamic generation adding rooted solutions to balancing as arguments similar to those made in favor of the sandbox argument.

This is a Sandbox MMORPG to put it way too simply.

I believe we should focus on the most minute detail possible in designing the basics of mechanics and rules, this can lay a foundation that can hold the next step of focusing efforts on a coinic (balanced bundle of content) designed game addition.

Wanna add Jedi and Sith rounds without rewriting the entire balancing of the game all over again. Be balanced before you add that Bundle. Steel beams and what not. That does not mean that the foundation can’t be expanded as well. We need the mechanical version of rods used in cement formations metaphorically. The way I see it we keep crumbling because there isn’t enough support for the foundation to hold higher. This is why advancing the current content is easy to spread out but leads to reworking almost every time a new piece comes on top.

How to accomplish this? No idea honestly, it’s hard being able to see the cracks knowing it’s a lack of rods in the concrete but not knowing what those rods would be or how to even get started.

No they wouldn’t, this is more for folks who join as Sci and then spend 40 minutes at the bar or grey tiding. sure its not their job to do fuel, but they are helping command. I wouldn’t worry about a bit of roleplay or dropping what your doing for doing something thats not your role. I often take a advanced mop Anom hunting and do a bit of cleaning on the side and I have spent time making a cleanade from strach with the CMO as RD. as long as it makes sense to do in character thats all they ask from RP and that if your character is still doing there job most of the time. (an tags not included.)

I feel like this rule would be easier to explain as “Having no intentions to do your work to a reasonable degree”
If you go out of science for 30 minutes but you spent that time looking for an anomaly/taking care of an APE. Then you are obviously doing your job.
Another less obvious is the bartender roaming maints for 20 minutes looking for shrooms to mix into a batch of drinks. And maybe they have some distractions and extend that time to like 30 or 40 minutes because reasons. But the trip was always with the intention of doing their job.

Now, if someone joins engi and spends all round making a secret room in maints or a Vox room while the station has no air or power. They are not doing their job, they left with the intention to fuck around.

The “reasonable” part is to prevent people from claiming they where doing their job, when in reality they where spending all round making borgs, spending all mats without even brains to put into them. Just because they find it fun to waste resources.

Thank you for the response, I had figured this to be the answer. However, can we incorporate some additional words into the rule that reduce ambiguity without creating redundancy.

I know that other rules have enough evidence to support that this would be fine, yet, it takes intentional and focused attention to the whole in order to come to that conclusion without asking.

Rules and guidelines should be formulated to minimize requests for clarification foremost, then requests for alterations become far more impactful upon utilization.

We have been making great progress towards this goal, however, there are certainly some challenges in the way we haven’t approached with a strategy that can be applied consistently to resolve these confusions.

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