Ilya246 - (rule 2.9 here, character limit) - preparing enough "mini maxcaps" to remove a department for a single steal objective. This is in no way proportional to a single steal objective

[Ilya246]

Username: Ilya246

Ban reason: (rule 2.9 here, character limit) - preparing enough "mini maxcaps" to remove a department for a single steal objective. This is in no way proportional to a single steal objective.
Length of ban: 10,080 minutes
Ban Issue:
What I was banned for is not against the rules

Vote Opt-Out: false

Events leading to the ban

(round #63936 on lizard)
please note that there is a lot of information and much of it is in the relevant ahelp

1. i was a syndicate atmos with objectives to steal RD suit and kill a musician, though the second objective is irrelevant as it ended up accomplishing itself
2. i decided to consider to make a “maxcap launcher shuttle” which was a project i had for a while and use it as a bomb threat to do my steal objective, then afterwards just use it to scare people without firing anything
   i did not have DAGD, so why did i consider this acceptable under 2.9? short version: it would do approximately as much as a syndicate bomb does, but without any casualties (excepting people that would run towards danger), and i’ve not seen anyone, including myself, get into trouble for a non-DAGD syndicate bomb before
   long version:
   1) due to how explosions work, detonations on station exterior will largely veer off into space and deal comparatively little damage to the station
   2) the recipe i was using already had a low explosive yield
   3) therefore, i would have to use several bombs to deal damage beyond what ~2-3 c4 would do
   4) due to the way this all works, i would have to fire a single bomb first which would be very unlikely to actually kill anyone, strip only the outer layer of walling, and would give everyone inside an opportunity to run away; therefore, the damage dealt by this would mostly be station damage
   5) eventually the amount of station damage from this would amount to approximately what a syndicate bomb does, but without any of the related deaths
   6) i’ve never seen anyone, including myself, get in trouble for a syndicate bomb, and as this does comparable or less damage as compared to a syndicate bomb, i considered this acceptable as well
   i later (during the ahelp) realised that i have made a mistake here in not just ahelping to ask; however, as you see, the full story requires a rather lengthy explanation
3. i proceeded ahead with the plan by making the bombs and readying the shuttle components; afterwards, TurboTracker (?) interfered and prevented me from making the bombs
4. i tried to “fight spookies”/“fight god” IC for comedy thinking i’d get an ahelp “if admins are serious about it”; i admit i’ve made a mistake here by not immediately ahelping to resolve the matter whether i am (not) allowed to do what i am doing, or, alternatively, by just stopping what i was doing
5. i had a conversation in ahelp with TurboTracker trying to explain why i do not consider what i was doing as a rule 2.9 break
6. closer to the start of said conversation, TurboTracker used the table smite on me which then gibbed me

Reason the ban should be removed

1. i do not believe that what i was going to do was against rule 2.9, reasoning already explained above; however, i do realise that you have no way of (and neither did TurboTracker at the time) verifying my intent for what i was actually going to do in the future, so please read the below points for why i want you to consider this point valid
2. after TurboTracker made it clear that what i am doing is no good, i planned to stop working on the project, but was given no opportunity to play in other ways due to the later table smite and ban; i believe there was a miscommunication on my part, in that i didn’t communicate this clearly enough and could be seen as refusing to stop the project; i understand i should try to avoid miscommunications of this kind in the future
3. i have realised my mistakes, and i will attempt to ahelp if i am unsure of things in the future, to confirm that something is okay to do, or to resolve the matter if i think admins are against what i’m doing (regarding the part where i didn’t initially stop the project when faced with the IC response)

Alternate Accounts

[Ilya246]

now that i think about it, i believe i should make it more clear, which i will do in this reply, that my specific issues with the ban are that i was essentially banned just for making (smaller) maxcaps, without actually having done anything, and given no opportunity to just not make use of them; i also believe the ban length (and potentially timing, considering recent additions) adds quite a bit to the issue

i do not believe it’s fair i was smited and then banned for something i couldn’t reasonably have assumed, even while knowing the rules, that i shouldn’t do (reasoning provided: i have never gotten, or seen anyone get, in trouble for detonating a syndicate bomb), and which i stopped doing once i was directly contacted about it; i don’t see this ban serving any real purpose other than to inconvenience me, unless to tell me that bombing, even at a smaller scale and as an antag after 30 minutes round time, is illegal under rule 2.9; additionally, i believe this may have been partially emotionally motivated as TurboTracker had a PR up to disable maxcaps (and still has at the time of writing), which i opposed at the time

finally, i ask that this ban be removed from my record, or reduced to a note, even if this appeal is not reviewed by the time it expired

[RyanStrudfelt]

This ban has long since expired so I will be closing this off, However for the sake of some form of clarity.

This ban will not be removed from your record, Turbo’s handling of the scenario did in fact fall in line with our policy and methodology of dealing with these types of infractions.

You having a singular Steal objective and a Singular Kill objective does not warrant the level of destruction you ultimately caused.

You trying to argue in point 5 of your appeal, that what you are doing is in your oppinion not a violation of the rules, doesn’t help you or alleviate any of the trouble you are in, as you are just arguing with an admin who is not asking you if what you are doing is problematic. They are Telling you it is problematic.

This alone can land you in more trouble, and likely did.

You Completely removing an entire section/Department of the station from existence so you can access a single object is far beyond reasonable.

Disabling the power flow to that area, Or making a hole in the wall so you can enter from space would have been acceptable, and been repairable so that the multiple people who had nothing to do with you could continue playing the round normally.

I can assure you, similar behaviour will only land you in further trouble in future. So please do bare in mind that your actions even as an antagonist must be in some form measured by the task you have to complete.

Appeal rejected - Ban has long since expired.