Wintoli - Self-Antag, Powergaming, Incompetence (Sala Round 78389)

[Wintoli]

Username: Wintoli

Banned Roles: Command

Ban reason: Self-Antag, Powergaming, Incompetence (Sala Round 78389)
Length of ban: MRP DeWhitelist + 1 Week Roles
Ban Issue:
I did not do what I was banned for

Events leading to the ban

Events In the Order They Happened

• Shift start ask cap about a station wide quest to get 1 person near AA, for a fun shift gimmick.
  He says no, say alright np, go about my day trying to figure out how hop works and working the desk
• Unbeknownst to me throughout all this, cap starts telling all of command that I am just giving out AA and a threat to the station
• A passenger wants a new job, dressed in merc gear. I ask abt qualifications/what they’re good at, they tell me lore on how they’re a mercenary for hire and would love to work for me, I say why not, stamp some papers, give em my disabler, and tell em to follow me. Have some small talk and tell em no access/additional equipment though unless HoS approves.
• Visit church and bar for a tiny bit since there’s talk of a fire god and head back to office, continue to do work + learn
• AI buggs me abt coords or something on holopads I pass for awhile.
• There is a small thing on radio where I told AI “nah” and they said “yeah” and we repeated back and forth, a bit of spam to be fair.
• A musician asks me for help with locker access for instrument storage, and I try to learn how access configurators work properly.
• Cap calls in a meeting for all heads. Not all show, but me, him, RD, HoS are there. Says I’m getting demoted for “insubordination”. I ask for clarification/examples on what he means by that, since I was trying to do my job (and it’s not a valid reason under space law). I was also worried I was doing my job wrong since it was my first time as HoP after rolling for awhile. Goes in circles for ages without additional reasoning besides “insubordination” and to just hand over my stuff.
• Cap tells HoS to arrest me, he is hesitant without a crime. Eventually everyone else just leaves the room without a consensus or arrest. I tell cap that this is silly and I gotta go back to work.
• Cap follows me, starts stripping / cuffing me. I tell em to stop. Cap starts stunning me. My bodyguard stuns cap. I take the disabler on the floor, step back, and tell cap to leave.
  Cap starts lethaling us with laser, I stun em. Pick up laser. Tell em to stop.
• Sec comes in and arrests me
• I ahelp, continue the round with not much more eventful besides jail, getting assassinated, and later borg’d at evac time. I get bwoinked for self-antag and power gaming instead and get DW.

Reason the ban should be removed

I’m basing a lot of this off of the SS14 Dev. Wiki MRP Policy page.

First up: Powergaming (hiring a bodyguard / “blueshield”)

I think the intent and events that transpired matters here. According to the “Do not Powergame” rule, it states: “You must have an In-Character justification for your actions”

A person came up in full merc gear to my desk with lore/backstory about being a bodyguard and wanting to be hired as one (and they suggested myself as the one to be guarded). I was unaware of the concept of a “blueshield”, but I wanted to further their roleplay concept instead of just saying no. I had thought the job of a hop if someone wants a job is to try and get them an avenue towards it when possible. My character also thought it would probably be just a generally cool idea since it would make him look more awesome roaming around. To me it was more a coolness factor and not to protect stuff. I believe I had enough IC justification regardless.

I understand a strike like this if I was seeking it out roundstart, or arming them up with lethals and armor, and cuffs, or something crazy, but they came up to me with a bunch of lore, and it was honestly to go with the RP they were providing me and further it, not as some any meta strat, as well I didn’t provide them with any more total gear than what I already had on my person (making me personally more vulnerably in the process).

Part 2: Self-Antag (Resisting Arrest/Demotion)

The Rule on the wiki states: “Do not make yourself a major problem, annoyance, or disruption while not an antagonist” and examples include, cults, revolutions, murder, spacing, etc.

I felt like this event did not fit the criteria for self-antag.

I was being demoted for something I felt like I didn’t do, is not a valid reason under space law, and would not be given more clarification on (insubordination). The HoS at the time didn’t arrest me when ordered and there was general confusion and no group consensus on what was being done post meeting.

Furthermore, when the actual arrest/fighting started, I did not start it (my bodyguard started shooting when I started getting disabled/cuffed), I purely picked up the disabler on the ground to continue not getting shot, backed up and told cap to please stop and leave, and only fired back with disabler rounds after I was getting shot with lethal lasers. I then picked up the cap’s laser and didn’t use it once he was stunned. I feel like these are perfectly normal things to do IC and OOC and showed restraint unless I’m supposed to just stand still and get lethal’d (made no sense IC and OOC). I was also just trying to get back to my job since people were waiting on me.

Part 3: Competence (??? Not Sure Specific Reason)

The MRP policy page has competence strikes listed as, “Abuse of a Position of Authority”, “Taking actions a reasonable person would view to be a detriment to the station”, and “Failure to uphold Space Law as Security/Command”.

I felt like all my actions were reasonable. I did not abuse my authority in any way, and I did not break any parts of Space Law. I was also genuinely trying to do and learn my job and help others, letting there be no HoP would be a huge detriment to the station. Unless leaving my room to check out the church ceremony announcement or let people pet my dog at bar for 2 minutes while I got a drink, while no one was at my desk, counts as “incompetence”, I am genuinely uncertain what ‘incompetence’ rule I broke. And of course, I didn’t hand out AA or anything.

Part 4: Comms

I noticed there was a note on comms spam. Although it’s not on the policy page, I did spam “Nah” vs AI’s “Yeah” for like 10 seconds because they were bugging me abt something for like the 5th time and I really just wanted to learn HoP and was stressed. In retrospect, shouldn’t have done it on comms, or just ignored em; it was a bit too silly, one Nah would’ve been fine. I’m not sure if it’s relevant for the strikes and DW, but I feel like if so, it is a bit harsh for a one time thing w/ no warning. But I am sorry for doing it in the first place regardless.

Regardless of outcome, thank you for taking the time to read and investigate all this, sorry if it’s a lot.

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[AdmiralObvious]

So, after discussion of the ban with both admins who were present in the shift at the time, I am choosing to exercise discretion in upholding this ban.

While the captain may have been somewhat overzealous with demotion, the core issues resulting in this ban did still occur.

1. Spamming command chat with the AI.
2. Generally dismissive behaviors towards the captain including closing your office shutters on them while being talked to.
3. Getting into a fight with the captain, which did legally escalate to lethals, and subsequently resulted in the captains laser being sent to disposals.
4. Generally not responding to the radio.
5. All of the above compounding into further justification of the demotion.
6. Prior competency MRP strikes.

These bullet points are not what we want on our MRP server.

With that said, the command bans should expire in 4ish days and you will be eligible to apply for whitelist in 11 days, however it is currently unlikely to be accepted.

[Wintoli]

Alright, understood. I apologize for my behavior and will genuinely try to be better in the future. Thank you and the other admins for looking into the appeal more regardless.