I kill player-controlled mice on a regular basis. Rodents fear me, and it is extremely enjoyable.
I can and do deal with player mice, its I really dont want to deal with them, its not fun for me and a distraction from my more important work.
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then get more mouse traps.
Mice have made me walk out of the kitchen a few times, and it is for sure a skill issue on my part. The problem I encounter is theyāre able to get food off the counter without triggering a mouse trap. I always lay traps horizontally perfectly along the counter edge so they are just out of view, yet mice that are smarter will just stand at the counter and not go under it but can still reach the food.
Maybe trying to keep the traps out of sight is the issue? My solution now is to keep all food in the cart and let people ask for items, really sucks to have your inventory wiped.
also Iām pretty sure Iāve been subjected to mouse metagrudging, because it will be one after another for the whole round. Iām not sure how Iād prove that though.
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ive also encountered mouse death spam, but im not sure it can count as meta gruding as they are still mice trying to get foodā¦ even if your good at removing mice its anoying.
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I do have a proposition to decrease mice interaction range by about 36%.
Which would force them to be right on food.
Also food eating spam is a shitter behavior. (eating everything in sight without reason).
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yeah but eating spam in not talking eat one food then the next im talking, while the first progress bar is filling eating and repeating until you have like 10+ eating barsā¦
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Honestly, I wouldnāt be sad to see that get patched out. It doesnāt really make sense for someone to be able to shove four apples in their mouth at once.
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- mice can run into one of the traps then use same path to get in kitchen if you not around for more than 5 seconds (and i would like to RP a little outside kitchen and be able to join events without rest of my round getting fucked just because one guy dediced i can t play anymore and ate all 60 pieces of food as singular rat)
- eating spam is shitter behaivor and i simply don t want to deal with it
thats really about it, majority of my player controlled rat interractions are shitters either spilling chems (patched), running in front of chinalake user nukie (this one is actually hilarious but still not fun for other side), spam eating / drinking at bar / botany / kitchen / chem
if you ask me how much you see those, i would say 1 out of 4-5 times i see player controlled mice its a shitter doing those (and i mainly play MRP)
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I disagree but the reason I disagree will strengthen your point further. One of my favorite chef rounds that I have ever played (Iām pretty sure it was on vulture) was a round where the entire shift I was being terrorized by a small white mouse. Whoever this mouse was had clearly mastered the ways of the mice. It would constantly taunt me and run a round the bar while I chased it blindly swinging around breaking everything around me, eventually I got one hit on the mouse and cornered it in med. At this point I had completely retired as a chef and had completely accepted my new life as a full time mouse killer.
I cornered the mouse and killed it. (after multiple revives from deaths caused by the ratā¦ dont ask) Until, the Head of Personnel saw the mouse, felt bad for it, and revived it. The HOP knew my pain and how much I hated this rat. So this rat scurried off into my kitchen and ate the rest of my food. So I cornered it again and killed it, I walked up to the HOPās desk, plopped the mouse in front of them and requested my retirement. The HOP tried to take the mouse so I hit them with a quick death threat and then I was a happy, retired man who was ten minutes later eaten by the singularity. I still have PTSD when I see a white rat.
there is ssomething cosmically funny about your enemy being this small white blob that eats stuff.
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(I prefix that I am commenting as a player, not as an adminā¦ The fact I am the MouseMin bears nothing on my participation at the current moment)
Look, I see both sides. I see absolute shitter mice who do nothing but annoy the fuck out of botany/kitchen/chem/etc because they think thatās all the should do. I see mice (such as myself) who make it a goal to be a lovable adoptable station pet, and make it to evac.
The thing is, it comes down to how the player of the role decides to do it.
For all intents and purposes, mice are Free Agents and can do both sides of play. They can be antagonists. They can help crew. They can go and try to eat all of the food from the kitchen. Then can follow a thief and squeak, point, and spin.
The bottom line is that if youāre getting annoyed by a mouse, then itās doing itās job. If youāre finding it a lovable pet, itās doing its job (because people in the real world have pet mice). If youāre sacrificing a mouse to an artifact for science,itās doing its job. If youāre hunting down mice, putting them in burgers, and feeding them to the reptilians on the stationā¦ Guess what?
Itās doing its job.
If youāre playing cap and RD shows you a mouse that they found in the hall that seems to be intelligent, and you immediately blast it with your laser pistol for no fucking reason other than to be an absolute dick. Like seriously, who the fuck does that to a poor defenseless mouse? (ahem)
ā¦ Itās doing its job.
Again, this is my opinion as a player on this topic. I love playing mouse. I love the different rounds and experiences I get thrown into each time I do.
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mfw when I play chef or botany and there is an entire ghost role with 6-10 spawns at a time dedicated to griefing me and making my role a miserable experience.
My first ever shift of chef was about 1 or 2 hours after installing the game. Figuring out how to make bread was even a challenge because I was just learning to navigate the UI and browse for recipes. Then, the mice cameā¦ Havenāt touched chef since.
Have I had bad experiences with mice? Oh hell yeah. Have I had good experiences with mice? Maybe 1 or 2. Do I kill all mice on sight as a service to the chef (and totally not because I play as a Lizard so floor mice are a free meal ticket)? Of course I do.
Just nerf mice spawns, their speed, or their interaction range like another poster said and this problem gets solved really quickly.
I think re-tuning mouse spawn rates or interaction range could do some good, yeah. The existence of mice as a ghost role isnāt a problem, but their ability to just reach from an entire tile away and munch on your food consequence-free definitely is.
Iām not super big on the idea of nerfing their speed, though, since IIRC thatās already gone through a nerf, and speed is one of approximately two things in the average mouseās toolkit - the other being the ability to slip under doors and tables. Speed is very important in SS14, and pests are no exception!
Mice also experience very rapid hunger/thirst drain, which means mice are only able to travel at top speed if theyāre able to reliably raid food and water sourcesā¦ or if theyāre freshly spawned.
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if its getting really really bad you can always ask for runtime or shiva to help you, their AI is a beast and my worst fear as a little rat
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I want to note you can always, always ask in LOOC for the mouse player to chill out. I enjoy being that little bastard who sneaks in and out of the kitchen for food, and while MouseOps has its fun, I am ultimately not looking to make you as a person have a bad time.
Just be reasonable with your request and donāt jump to it just because a single slice of bread was eaten. If it gets to the point you need to ask, we probably know weāve inflicted enough chef suffering for the shift and that itās fair to go do something else.
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i tried this after same person harassing me for entire 3 rounds get to my nerves, he laughed and kept doing it, ahelped at like 5th round and he was doing same at 6th, two days later he was still doing same but i haven t seen him since like three weeks (Salamaner)
I got to admit I also remember a mouse doing simaliar things in botany during this time peroid. maybe it was just one bad actor?
Mice can be annoying, but at the same time they DO need to eat or be really slow. and chances are, if the ghost role has been alive for a fair bit, they probably are so hungry that they slow down. If they kept going back to the kitchen it may not have been metagrudging, they might have just been hungry. Its not like mice can use the vending machines