Dave36464736 - madjojosg2: Unjustified Game Ban

Subject: dave36464736

Policies or Expectations Violated: 1.2 is the only specific policy I could point towards.

Do you want this complaint to be made public after it is processed: Yes

Detailed Summary:

What I did
(If some things here are inaccurate, that is purely because I am writing most of this from memory, as I do not have the time to check the entire replay)

I was a syndicate agent in shift #78064 and I had the objective to kill a botanist and to steal Ians meat. After the hos had arrested me, he failed to uncuff me properly and I ended up stealing his baton from him (All inside the cell). I quickly cuffed him and shot him crit with his WT so that he wouldn’t call other security members to help him. The AI however notified sec, which meant that I had to gun down the captain and the warden. Using hos’s stuff I then escaped security and hid for a while. I inserted a Game Master lawboard into the ai so that it wouldn’t be after me as much. When I got arrested again, HoS decided to perma me. Using the AI as help, I managed to escape the brig. Via more AI help, I eventually stole two drozds and ammo from the armory. Being gunned down upon discovery in the armory, I lost one of the drozd’s. When I was revived at medbay, security had forgotten to cuff me, which means I shot the secoff who was trying to cuff me when I was awake already. I might’ve hit some stray bullets on the doctors during that, but I believe no one got crit. After that every person I shot to crit was either attacking me or a threat to me. The only non command / security I shot was all guilty. The first one was my objective, the botanist. The second was a tider who hit me in maints. Seeing that I was two crowbar hits from going crit, I decided to crit him so that I wouldn’t get killed like that. Another was a atmos tech. I told the atmos to hand me his insuls, but he instead decided to go against my L6 saw, which means I had to gun him down. I think any reasonable person can be expected to just hand their insuls over instead of dying. I also killed the captain at medbay, but that was purely because I saw another traitor was fighting him, so I decided to help him out. When I had killed captain, the other traitor had however already died, judging by the sound their holoparasite made, which means I went back into maints. After that I simply tried to complete my objectives. One more thing I did was raiding security so I could get more ammo, which ended up not working. I was running rather low on my mags and decided I should use the remaining mags to get more ammo, seeing that I still had a lot of possible fights ahead, as the whole station was after me. The secfab was however destroyed, which meant that I just hid in maints again. The only other command member I killed was an armed CMO. I heard they were gunning people down and I thought I could rob the cmo, which I was going to do. When another crewmate picked up the dead cmo’s gun however, I simply flushed away as I did not want to kill innocent crewmates. When I later went on to evac in a evac pod, I even spared a secoff that shot me multiple times and was armed. I also killed a loneop earlier in the shift instead of helping him destroy the station. Those things alone should make clear that my intention was not to cause massive death or anything similar.
When I was first ahelped by dave during the round, I remember him asking me a hard to answer question that went something like “So how many more people are you going to kill for a simple kill and steal objective?” (Correct me if I am wrong, this is from memory). Seeing that this question wasn’t very specific, I did my best to answer it. After getting no more messages from him for about 20 minutes or something, I thought the whole thing was over. When I was almost at centcom however, he simply sent me a message and instantly banned me. This message was way more clear, and I could’ve properly explained it to him this time. Instead however, he did not even give me a chance to explain.

My issue with this

First of all, I already mentioned things before that should make pretty clear that my intention was not to cause massive or unnecessary death / destruction. I spared many crewmembers and even armed secoffs (See evac pod). The reason why I wrote that he violated policy 1.2 is that in my opinion sending me a message and instantly banning me does not seem very welcoming, and does not seem very respectful either. I’ve played on wizden for a long time, and I think that I’ve significantly improved from my past self antag behavior. I try my best to keep the game fun / fair for others, and I think this alone is a reason that I should atleast not just be banned instantly without a proper chance to explain. He also seems to have set my ban to permanent instead of the mentioned 3 days, which is also an issue in my opinion, as it had to be corrected via a appeal.
Another thing is the fact that he banned me over what he apparently calls a 2.9 violation. Looking at the fact that I never killed an innocent person in that entire round, and most of my kills were armed people looking for me, this is in my opinion absolutely not a 2.9 violation (Again, correct me if I am wrong). In fact, 2.9 Explicitly states “Permanently round removing many people who have demonstrated a persistence and capability to either kill you or interfere with the completion of your goals” (Emphasis on round removing)
Looking that I had been permad and killed once, and put on KoS by security, I feel like they’ve absolutely demonstrated the above mentioned. In fact, it even mentions that it’d be okay to round remove them, which I did not do. I even made sure (see the atmos technician) to make them recoverable if I had the time to do so, as again, it is my intent to make the game fun and fair for everyone else playing with me. So with the rule that I was banned for explicitly stating the ban reason as acceptable I feel like this ban is more than unjustified.

Added complaint-pending, privacy-public, staff-complaint

This complaint materalize disputes that the ban was improper.

There is a ban appeal still pending.

Pursuant to complaint requirement 1. This complaint is denied.

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Added complaint-rejected and removed complaint-pending

Well my ban expired, I dont understand. Does this mean that I cannot ever make a complaint? How am I supposed to appeal a expired ban.

As the ban appeal is still pending a complaint may not be made at this time.

The short ban expiration provision is intended for bans where the appellant did not have enough time to file a proper appeal. For example, 12 hours bans.

A complaint may be made should the appeal be accepted.

Understood. Thank you for the quick response.