Now I’m first going to answer Changeling’s questions, then talk about the rules of mindshielding.
Answers No, you can Mindshield the guy who flashed since he committed a crime, but I’m not sure if Mindshields work on Head Revolutionaries, but flashing someone counts as assault and contraband, because when he converts he hits people with a flash.
Yes, since he did have contraband and that’s a crime, you have lawful reason to mindshield, but you cant really charge crimes for assault unless you have a bit more proof, but again I don’t know if Mindshields work on Head Revolutionaries.
One thing that most Security do that’s annoying andagainst the rules is go around asking to mindshield people, in the rules it does say that the person has to have committed a crime to be subjected to Mindshielding, If the person was arrested and refused to Mindshield its up to Captain if he wants to perma or execute the person for the capital crime, just because its Revolutionaries it doesn’t mean you have the right to mindshield all, and KOS the ones that don’t comply, So one thing I checked out and noticed about antags is that only Nukies are Legends, and Syndies are known, but I didn’t see anything about Head Revolutionaries, so I per say don’t know if you can say that: ,Oh I think I just saw a Head Revolutionary, because they flashed a person.‘’, I don’t know if its against the Metashield, But I would just report that someone assaulted someone with a flash instead of saying he’s a Head Rev.
Also Most of this Information was from AcornAnNut, but since no one had made a post or anything about the rules to Revolutionaries I thought Id make one.
Wiki Rule Highlights: Any prisoner in custody can be subjected to implantation or implant removal procedures, so long as it’s within reason. Mindshields can be administered to any inmate who has been clearly mind controlled, lost control of themselves, or a suspect charged with unlawful control.
All credits to AcornAnNut.
This clearly says that you CAN’T just simply mindshield anyone that commited a crime, it’s hard to argue that someone who just flashed someone else is clearly mind controlled or lost control themselves, now the “suspect charged with unlawful control” part is where your questions if Revs are subject to metashield or not comes into question but I feel just seeing someone flash someone else shouldn’t be enough to charge them with inlawful control.
Well on one part I see what you mean, but think about it why would a random person go around flashing someone, but remember that flashes are restricted security gear and that flashing someone counts as assault. The main problem that happens during revs is if someone see’s a guy with a flash and sunglasses say ‘OH REVS’ or something like that, and that security just mindshield anyone without proper reason, ignoring space law.
That’s the major issue.
Yea it’s assault but assault alone is no reason to mindshield someone, that was my point, arguably even murder itself isn’t enough to mindshield someone by the rules.
Of course any security that runs around asking people to please mindshield should be ahelped and hopefully be reminded they aren’t allowed to and if command ordered it to happen they should receive a jobban but I am no admin, so no idea how these things are actually handled.
Yeah, but then you have to think what warrants a mindshield? If a person is acting not like himself, that warrants a mindshield? But I get it we can’t mindshield for every self-antag or just flat out syndie that go around and murder. There isn’t really a clear thing that determines someone a rev/Head Rev.
Also the thing is Revs are apparently known, unlike Nukies which are Legends.
Unless I missed something, neither of you have any authority over server rules, which specifically do not mention mindshields in either rules proper or in the metashield list.
It would be nice if you stopped claiming what players can’t or can do based on your personal opinion.
Okay look, I don’t know why you have a problem with this, the Mods are cool with this and don’t seem to be upset, I made this post because Revs as a gamemode is starting to become super annoying, because no one listens to its rule’s, Security does whatever and Revs aren’t any better. But If this helps people understand, why do you have a problem with it. Also were not “claiming” anything its gamerules.
Don’t take my word its in the rules, just follow them.
Like this isn’t even MY word its the rules, If you have a reason to Mindshield a prisoner then the rules are fine with it, like what roleplay reason do you have to mindshield a guy who got flashed, ZERO, because he has not committed a crime, think for yourself.
A little note: this also means that you have not read the rules of mindshielding so don’t say, “I cant quote you” Its the rules.